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Bombing Al Jazeera doesn't count according to them. What convenient memories and morality.

It was either them or the New York Times.

I'm just saying.

Yeah, well Dean did not advocate the killing of journalists. Reading a bit more careful would be a useful tool, my friend.

Read it again slowly. He said that the leakers (hint a leaker is a person that tells the press, not the press that reports it) should be caught and tried. And, when, found guilty When they are found guilty, "we should then hang them by the neck until the are dead, dead, dead".

Not once did Dean say to kill a journalist. Read it again, I'll wait.

God help us all if they *win* the next election.

As to the "why are they so angry," I've wondered that too. I agree with this:

http://tinyurl.com/etn9q

Is she suggesting that killing journalists is worth a comment or two but killing of your political enemies is not?

Where ever did you get that idea? Because I excluded Misha? I know about him. I want to know what other bloggers did so because the implication from you lefties is that us Right-side bloggers are just fine with advocating murder.

Oh, and Dean's defense is another example of his weaselly intellectual dishonesty. He titled the post "High Treason and the New York Times" and said that "exposing such a secret program...is high treason." I'm sure he knows exactly why people got the "impression" he wanted to hang journalists.

I'm also sure he'll be watching with frothing interest when the New Millennium House Un-American Activities Committee gets underway in 2009, under President Tancredo. Maybe he can become a Volunteer Hangman or something.

I'm sure he knows exactly why people got the "impression" he wanted to hang journalists.

You know what? Dean shouldn't be held accountable for your or anyone else's stupidity. If you can't read, that's your problem.

My mother also accuses me of being illiterate - but hey, that's between me and her.

What Dean should be held accountable for is his shameless tortured logic in support of this administration and his willingness to brand everyone who steps away from his orthodoxy as either "traitor" or "fascist." His intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking.

"He titled the post 'High Treason and the New York Times' and said that 'exposing such a secret program...is high treason.'".

After denying empirical reality, refusing to take responsibility for anything they've done or said is their next best thing.

Sorry, Rosemary: I call bullshit.

The title of Dean's post makes it self-evident who he was talking about. And the rest of the post makes it clear what he was advocating -- death WHEN they were found guilty.

Too bad for Dean that this will probably be the single thing that he and his blog are remembered for.

P.S. If you cannot argue on the merits then please simply stand aside. Don't smear Glenn Greenwald (or Adam or anyone else here) with your ad hominem attacks.

Rosemary, are you saying that the New York Times did not expose the program?

"He titled the post "High Treason and the New York Times" and said that "exposing such a secret program...is high treason." I'm sure he knows exactly why people got the "impression" he wanted to hang journalists."

Lets take a look at the FULL quote shall we?

"I think they are all being rather timid. These leakers have exposed a perfectly legal, perfectly sensible government operation that has undoubtedly helped round up hundreds of members of Al Qaeda and saved the lives of countless Americans. Exposing such a secret program is not whistle-blowing--it is high treason."

If you actually read the full paragraph its crystal clear he is referring to the LEAKERS!

If you actually read the full paragraph its crystal clear he is referring to the LEAKERS!

Sure. And the New York Times had no role in exposing the program?

Well, thank goodness that's settled. The media has done nothing wrong in Dean's books.

Jerry:

I read the whole thing.

Including the title. Thanks.

I also read the article in the context of other similar articles that were posted before, during and after that time by Dean and many, many other right-wing bloggers.

He wanted the journos dead.

Let's put aside all the crapweaselly word parsing: lots of people (especially those on the right) commonly refer to how the NYT "leaked" the story. So "exposing" and "leaking" can easily be applied to the NYT too.

But see, the right-wingers know this. Too bad they're forced to emulate The Great Satan, Bill Clinton, to make sure they can escape responsibility for anything they say. Sad, really.

Dean in the comments:

Yes, there's definitely been an abuse of power here--by the New York Times, and by whoever leaked the information on this vital national security measure. Because the goal of this program is not to arrest people for criminal activity, it is to block terrorist attacks and find and kill foreign enemy combatants.

He wanted the GUILTY party dead upon conviction. The NYT would have been cleared due to freedom of the press. In the end, only the true leaker IF found guilty would be hung, fried, or whatever.

Maybe someone should just ask Dean if he thinks journalists who commit acts of treason should be tried and executed. Then if he thinks that those who report on classified matters like this are committing acts of treason.

That should clear it up nicely.

Ara, dunno if everyone has this problem, but in some views, comments are produced in a microscopic font. Just noticed that the blockquote stuff is in a normal-sized font.

Ara,

In all my times of being forced to listen to Dean and other relatives talk politics at all family functions, I have NOT ONCE heard him mention that the NYT journalists should be killed.

Jerry:

He wanted the GUILTY party dead upon conviction.

No, Jerry. Just no.

When they are found guilty, we should then hang them by the neck until the are dead, dead, dead.

In all my times of being forced to listen to Dean and other relatives talk politics at all family functions, I have NOT ONCE heard him mention that the NYT journalists should be killed.

That's nice. I didn't get invited to those parties. So I have only his words to go by and those are pretty clear.

dpu:

Ara, dunno if everyone has this problem, but in some views, comments are produced in a microscopic font.

How's that?

The whole "show trial" thing seems to be a particular favorite of the right, doesn't it? Makes for good TV, no doubt.

Ara:

The comment font is very tiny for me too - maybe two steps (at least) smaller than the regular post font.

Font cont.:

The tiny font is only on the page that contains both the post and the comments. The pop-up comments page font is normal size.

DPU I hope you don't mind, but I quoted your Dean comment quote at Rose's

I figured that her minions shouldn't be deprived of the lockstep lynch-mob advocacy on display from Bush right on down to Dean.

I guess they're right. Clinton WAS the best republican president since Lincoln.

Don't mind in the least.

My new favorite Esmay quote, courtesy of The Editors (bless them/him):

Glenn Greenwald may just be an illiterature [sic] moron. […] [H]e is in the habit of making dishonest assertions, willfully and knowingly.

Now I thought I was the world's "worstenester" speller -- and I'm still in the running. But nothing is so sweetly ironic as mis-spelling/using "illiterate."

Can't you just wait until Dean publishes his manifesto of madness this fall? I'm gonna rip off a copy (refusing of course to financially patronize his obsession -- but I promise to drop a ten-spot behind the counter) and place it reverently right next to my copy of Uncle John's Bathroom Reader.

I think "illiterature" is a great word to describe Dean's whole writing career online. Someone call Webster's!

Awesome Adam!

It should be the Title of that book he keeps threatening to unleash.

For posterity, I preserved his literary skillz at my place with a screen shot. ;-)

Ha!

Made my day.

Here's another gem of illiterature from that paragon of civility and reasoned discourse, Dean Esmay:

Seriously Vic? The more I think about it? Go f*cking screw yourself, you pathetic creep as*hole. I'm the aggrieved party here, as are several others. So take your self-righteous neutrality and stick it up your ass with a vente-sized razor. Jerk.

That was precious Adam.